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		<title>By: Photographic manipulation – the new World Press Photo rule &#124; David Campbell -- Photography, Multimedia, Politics</title>
		<link>http://www.david-campbell.org/2009/04/17/photographic-truth-and-photoshop/comment-page-1/#comment-3009</link>
		<dc:creator>Photographic manipulation – the new World Press Photo rule &#124; David Campbell -- Photography, Multimedia, Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Dec 2009 20:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Haiti photos from the Danish picture of the year competition – a controversy I discussed here in April. (Note that some of the links in that post no longer find details of the Christensen [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Revolutions in the media economy (3) – photojournalism’s futures &#124; David Campbell -- Photography, Multimedia, Politics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Revolutions in the media economy (3) – photojournalism’s futures &#124; David Campbell -- Photography, Multimedia, Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Sep 2009 19:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In the wake of renewed concerns about photographic manipulation (which I have discussed here) Hsu is worried about how norms that contest fabrication will be governed. It is an interesting [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 18:42:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The New York Times has an article today  -- &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/28/fashion/28RETOUCH.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Smile and Say &#039;No Photoshop&#039;&lt;/a&gt; -- on the issue of fashion magazines and Photoshop retouching, with the case of Elle as the starting point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The New York Times has an article today  &#8212; <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/28/fashion/28RETOUCH.html" rel="nofollow">Smile and Say &#8216;No Photoshop&#8217;</a> &#8212; on the issue of fashion magazines and Photoshop retouching, with the case of Elle as the starting point.</p>
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		<title>By: Photographic retouching exposed &#124; David Campbell -- Photography, Multimedia, Politics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Photographic retouching exposed &#124; David Campbell -- Photography, Multimedia, Politics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] meaning, manipulation and Photoshop have been prominent recently (see my previous posts here and here, with some updates amongst the comments for [...]</description>
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		<title>By: David Campbell</title>
		<link>http://www.david-campbell.org/2009/04/17/photographic-truth-and-photoshop/comment-page-1/#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>David Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 09:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wayne&#039;s comment seems wise to me -- work within a recognition of the inherent constructed-ness of photography, and therefore re-position photojournalism as a practice aware of its limits, yet still capable of making important contributions to the posing of questions, the raising of issues, and the provision of material that could function as evidence in a larger story. But none of it justified by mythical claims about the nature of the practice; instead we deal with the way photographic practice works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wayne&#8217;s comment seems wise to me &#8212; work within a recognition of the inherent constructed-ness of photography, and therefore re-position photojournalism as a practice aware of its limits, yet still capable of making important contributions to the posing of questions, the raising of issues, and the provision of material that could function as evidence in a larger story. But none of it justified by mythical claims about the nature of the practice; instead we deal with the way photographic practice works.</p>
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		<title>By: wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 01:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked for nine years in newspaper photography at the Wilmington, NC, Star-News Newspapers, and do have a thought or two about this topic.
I agree, basically, with your question, David; aside from a kind of vague &quot;community standard&quot;, depending on which &quot;community&quot; is asked, what useful, measurable guidelines 
can be put into place? Who gets to decide?
Or maybe (and this is my own question)... should the Lack of a deeply satisfying, broadly agreed-upon, basis keep us awake to the fact that so-called journalistic or documentary photography can only be telling a tiny slice of any sort of event or &quot;reality&quot;? Why did we ever come to believe a news photo, in the first place? As amateurs and professionals, alike, know, out of a conceivable 360 degree (and that&#039;s just at eye-level!) set of Points Of View, and out of an unstoppable flow of the perception of Time, the photographer/camera selects only the barest evidence of &quot;what happened&quot;, via the light (and sound?) recordable by the technology available. Can anyone actually make a solid case for that slice being &quot;True&quot; of the whole &quot;event&quot;?
And, if not, then what are we to make of photojournalism.. .even by photojournalists with the highest standards of professionalism and integrity?
I would finally argue that the best use of photojournalism might not be to Answer questions, but to Pose the best questions in Such a compelling way that the intended audience goes searching for  the answers, themselves, or at  the very least, doesn&#039;t assume it  knows the whole truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked for nine years in newspaper photography at the Wilmington, NC, Star-News Newspapers, and do have a thought or two about this topic.<br />
I agree, basically, with your question, David; aside from a kind of vague &#8220;community standard&#8221;, depending on which &#8220;community&#8221; is asked, what useful, measurable guidelines<br />
can be put into place? Who gets to decide?<br />
Or maybe (and this is my own question)&#8230; should the Lack of a deeply satisfying, broadly agreed-upon, basis keep us awake to the fact that so-called journalistic or documentary photography can only be telling a tiny slice of any sort of event or &#8220;reality&#8221;? Why did we ever come to believe a news photo, in the first place? As amateurs and professionals, alike, know, out of a conceivable 360 degree (and that&#8217;s just at eye-level!) set of Points Of View, and out of an unstoppable flow of the perception of Time, the photographer/camera selects only the barest evidence of &#8220;what happened&#8221;, via the light (and sound?) recordable by the technology available. Can anyone actually make a solid case for that slice being &#8220;True&#8221; of the whole &#8220;event&#8221;?<br />
And, if not, then what are we to make of photojournalism.. .even by photojournalists with the highest standards of professionalism and integrity?<br />
I would finally argue that the best use of photojournalism might not be to Answer questions, but to Pose the best questions in Such a compelling way that the intended audience goes searching for  the answers, themselves, or at  the very least, doesn&#8217;t assume it  knows the whole truth.</p>
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		<title>By: gnovis</title>
		<link>http://www.david-campbell.org/2009/04/17/photographic-truth-and-photoshop/comment-page-1/#comment-198</link>
		<dc:creator>gnovis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 21:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;CCT Blog Wrap up: New media, new reality, new ethical quandaries ...&lt;/strong&gt;

Here at home on Gnovis:

Post thesis, Brad fills his extra time contemplating trends on Photoshop Disaster discussion board. Leading to come interesting conclusions including this comment: &#160;Read&#160;More&#160;&#187;  Bookmark/Search this post wi...</description>
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<p>Here at home on Gnovis:</p>
<p>Post thesis, Brad fills his extra time contemplating trends on Photoshop Disaster discussion board. Leading to come interesting conclusions including this comment: &nbsp;Read&nbsp;More&nbsp;&raquo;  Bookmark/Search this post wi&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: David Campbell</title>
		<link>http://www.david-campbell.org/2009/04/17/photographic-truth-and-photoshop/comment-page-1/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>David Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 10:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom and Giovanni&#039;s comments offer important observations on this issue. Both, it seems to me, rightly acknowledge the inherent constructed-ness of photography (including documentary and reportage), yet note equally the larger desire on the part of both practitioners and viewers to have pictures that can be regarded as trustworthy renditions of an event or issue. And that gets to the crux of the matter -- what we desire, and what we need.

Believability is key to that, though in the case of black and white, it might stem from the way monochrome has been culturally produced as authentic by the history of documentary photography rather than any inherent perceptual qualities to this style. 

The passion evident in debates about Photoshop and truth show that no matter how hard people try to find it, there is no self-evident, objective standard to make clear and unproblematic judgments about what is legitimate and what isn&#039;t. If there were, why would everybody be arguing so? Constantly searching for the mythical foundations of truth to end these debates only papers over a proper understanding of photography as a technology that creates worlds as much as it reveals them. 

None of this is to suggest that veracity gets chucked out the window, and that photographers can just do what they like and make things up. Far from it. But this debate reinforces my view that we have to move away from judging photographs on what they are, to thinking about what they do. Photojournalism in particular has to come to terms with its inherent constructed-ness and move on to how it uses this to tell stories, highlight issues, and produce evidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom and Giovanni&#8217;s comments offer important observations on this issue. Both, it seems to me, rightly acknowledge the inherent constructed-ness of photography (including documentary and reportage), yet note equally the larger desire on the part of both practitioners and viewers to have pictures that can be regarded as trustworthy renditions of an event or issue. And that gets to the crux of the matter &#8212; what we desire, and what we need.</p>
<p>Believability is key to that, though in the case of black and white, it might stem from the way monochrome has been culturally produced as authentic by the history of documentary photography rather than any inherent perceptual qualities to this style. </p>
<p>The passion evident in debates about Photoshop and truth show that no matter how hard people try to find it, there is no self-evident, objective standard to make clear and unproblematic judgments about what is legitimate and what isn&#8217;t. If there were, why would everybody be arguing so? Constantly searching for the mythical foundations of truth to end these debates only papers over a proper understanding of photography as a technology that creates worlds as much as it reveals them. </p>
<p>None of this is to suggest that veracity gets chucked out the window, and that photographers can just do what they like and make things up. Far from it. But this debate reinforces my view that we have to move away from judging photographs on what they are, to thinking about what they do. Photojournalism in particular has to come to terms with its inherent constructed-ness and move on to how it uses this to tell stories, highlight issues, and produce evidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Giovanni DB</title>
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		<dc:creator>Giovanni DB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:59:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Discussions about what you can do and what you can&#039;t do in photography are always kind a weird to me. Photojournalist are supposed to shoot the reality. What they see.... but then they  use flash and it&#039;s fine, then if I shoot Kodacrhome 25 and print it on ciba it&#039;s fine, I shoot B&amp;W and print it balancing everything and maybe even changing the way the light was, and it&#039;s fine again... I do crossprocessing and... it&#039;s fine. But then I use photoshop to increase contrast and... it isn&#039;t fine.... Christensen did overdo his files (and by my taste : I do not like them like that), but he didn&#039;t change reality. not even the colours as judges blame him. I took the RAW pic of the rubbles from the website of POY and put it in photoshop did a easy contrast curve and the walls are really blue! and guess what? the chair IS yellow! so please someone tell the judges that he changed the saturation yes but not the reality!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discussions about what you can do and what you can&#8217;t do in photography are always kind a weird to me. Photojournalist are supposed to shoot the reality. What they see&#8230;. but then they  use flash and it&#8217;s fine, then if I shoot Kodacrhome 25 and print it on ciba it&#8217;s fine, I shoot B&amp;W and print it balancing everything and maybe even changing the way the light was, and it&#8217;s fine again&#8230; I do crossprocessing and&#8230; it&#8217;s fine. But then I use photoshop to increase contrast and&#8230; it isn&#8217;t fine&#8230;. Christensen did overdo his files (and by my taste : I do not like them like that), but he didn&#8217;t change reality. not even the colours as judges blame him. I took the RAW pic of the rubbles from the website of POY and put it in photoshop did a easy contrast curve and the walls are really blue! and guess what? the chair IS yellow! so please someone tell the judges that he changed the saturation yes but not the reality!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom White</title>
		<link>http://www.david-campbell.org/2009/04/17/photographic-truth-and-photoshop/comment-page-1/#comment-167</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom White</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 13:56:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not quite sure if the comparison between over saturation and desaturation is the issue - plenty of colour photography is over saturated.  The issue for me is whether or not the manipulation is - and I admit this is a highly subjective term - believable.  Black and White actually has as one of it&#039;s strengths the ability to render form clearly without the distraction of colour.  Our eyes and brain respond to colour quite strongly, and even can vary from person to person.  Without going into a long discussion of the hows and whys this can often lead people into thinking that b&amp;w images seem somehow more truthful and reliable.  B&amp;W is a manipulation, in that it ignores colour information, but the point is that it does not alter anything in terms of shape and form - all things we in our collective perception of reality can agree on.  With colour, there is much more room for distortion and debate (are you sure the ground was that particular hue of red-brown?  Was the sky quite so deep blue, was the shack that bright a turquise?)

As for these particular images, the photoshopping - in my opinion, is just plain bad.  He should not have been disqualified as there are not really any factual alterations - such as the kind often employed in advertising and in fashion - just some over saturation and contrast to the point where we doubt the scene was as it appears in the photograph.  Contrast and Saturation could have been added with more restraint and the photographs would still have had the desired aesthetic.  Think of it like a legal case.  Can you say, beyond reasonable doubt, that the scene is an accurate representation of what occurred.  If looking at these photographs make you think &#039;photoshop&#039; and then the comparison with an unretouched file confirms it, then you have placed a barrier between the viewer and the content.

One reason why this is such a touchy subject in documentary and photojournalism is precisely because of what has happened with fashion and advertising.  Seeing is still believing, and people like to choose when they can be lied to.  People are happy to believe that that model has flawless skin and a healthy glow but don&#039;t want to believe that the broken concrete slabs (as in one of Christensen&#039;s images) are radiating a steely blue light.  If photojournalism and documentary are to retain the respect of people who look at photographs, then manipulations should show some restraint.  Sure, the light might well have given that concrete a tint of blue, but how many (except under hallcinatory conditions) have witnessed concrete glowing that particular hue?  Does that not therefore cast the veracity of the image in doubt?  And for a profession that holds facts in such high regard, with a public that does not like being fooled in  this particular arena, is that not a problematic situation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not quite sure if the comparison between over saturation and desaturation is the issue &#8211; plenty of colour photography is over saturated.  The issue for me is whether or not the manipulation is &#8211; and I admit this is a highly subjective term &#8211; believable.  Black and White actually has as one of it&#8217;s strengths the ability to render form clearly without the distraction of colour.  Our eyes and brain respond to colour quite strongly, and even can vary from person to person.  Without going into a long discussion of the hows and whys this can often lead people into thinking that b&amp;w images seem somehow more truthful and reliable.  B&amp;W is a manipulation, in that it ignores colour information, but the point is that it does not alter anything in terms of shape and form &#8211; all things we in our collective perception of reality can agree on.  With colour, there is much more room for distortion and debate (are you sure the ground was that particular hue of red-brown?  Was the sky quite so deep blue, was the shack that bright a turquise?)</p>
<p>As for these particular images, the photoshopping &#8211; in my opinion, is just plain bad.  He should not have been disqualified as there are not really any factual alterations &#8211; such as the kind often employed in advertising and in fashion &#8211; just some over saturation and contrast to the point where we doubt the scene was as it appears in the photograph.  Contrast and Saturation could have been added with more restraint and the photographs would still have had the desired aesthetic.  Think of it like a legal case.  Can you say, beyond reasonable doubt, that the scene is an accurate representation of what occurred.  If looking at these photographs make you think &#8216;photoshop&#8217; and then the comparison with an unretouched file confirms it, then you have placed a barrier between the viewer and the content.</p>
<p>One reason why this is such a touchy subject in documentary and photojournalism is precisely because of what has happened with fashion and advertising.  Seeing is still believing, and people like to choose when they can be lied to.  People are happy to believe that that model has flawless skin and a healthy glow but don&#8217;t want to believe that the broken concrete slabs (as in one of Christensen&#8217;s images) are radiating a steely blue light.  If photojournalism and documentary are to retain the respect of people who look at photographs, then manipulations should show some restraint.  Sure, the light might well have given that concrete a tint of blue, but how many (except under hallcinatory conditions) have witnessed concrete glowing that particular hue?  Does that not therefore cast the veracity of the image in doubt?  And for a profession that holds facts in such high regard, with a public that does not like being fooled in  this particular arena, is that not a problematic situation?</p>
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		<title>By: David Campbell</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Campbell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, as I noted in the post, Christensen was one of three photographers who had to submit their RAW files to the judges of the Danish contest. 

This may or may not be the tip of the iceberg -- but what interests me most is how some images are judged as &#039;suspicious&#039; and against what standard? Christensen, who made his RAW files public for all too see, openly acknowledges that he gave his pictures &quot;full throttle&quot; in Photoshop. We may judge that to be inappropriate for reportage. But -- and its a big but -- if we do think his actions wrong, how we can justify the full throttle of desaturation (turning a colour file into black and white), as permitted by the Danish competition rules?

What this demonstrates is that the grounds for judging the legitimacy of documentary photographs come, not from external or objective standards, but from accepted practice within the history of photojournalism. And in this history -- as Martin Parr has recently noted (see http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2009/apr/15/madonna-photo-malawi-adoption) -- black and white has been the &#039;gold&#039; standard. 

There may be no problem with that accepted practice, but it can&#039;t be justified -- as too often is the case in this debate -- in terms of realism, veracity, accuracy, objectivity and truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, as I noted in the post, Christensen was one of three photographers who had to submit their RAW files to the judges of the Danish contest. </p>
<p>This may or may not be the tip of the iceberg &#8212; but what interests me most is how some images are judged as &#8216;suspicious&#8217; and against what standard? Christensen, who made his RAW files public for all too see, openly acknowledges that he gave his pictures &#8220;full throttle&#8221; in Photoshop. We may judge that to be inappropriate for reportage. But &#8212; and its a big but &#8212; if we do think his actions wrong, how we can justify the full throttle of desaturation (turning a colour file into black and white), as permitted by the Danish competition rules?</p>
<p>What this demonstrates is that the grounds for judging the legitimacy of documentary photographs come, not from external or objective standards, but from accepted practice within the history of photojournalism. And in this history &#8212; as Martin Parr has recently noted (see <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2009/apr/15/madonna-photo-malawi-adoption)" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2009/apr/15/madonna-photo-malawi-adoption)</a> &#8212; black and white has been the &#8216;gold&#8217; standard. </p>
<p>There may be no problem with that accepted practice, but it can&#8217;t be justified &#8212; as too often is the case in this debate &#8212; in terms of realism, veracity, accuracy, objectivity and truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Christen Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christen Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that we are looking at the top of an iceberg. Two more photographers were called upon for control of their raw-files in the danish contest.
And one winning image looks very suspicious, in my opinion.</description>
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And one winning image looks very suspicious, in my opinion.</p>
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